Zach Lowe: "Lebron will be the greatest player by the time he retires if he haJZ-II 2000mm×800mm×450mm智能型安全工具柜产品概述sn't already, at this moment he is neck and neck with Jordan as the greatest player ever. Once he posts 4 more monster years, statistically there will be no conversation" @32min
[–]Lakersshamrock8421 1320 points 4 days ago
The title of GOAT will ultimately be bestowed upon he whose version of “Space Jam” is superior.
[–]NBANot_Me25 397 points 4 days ago
No way any new Space Jam touches the old one. Not a chance
[–][UTA] Donovan MitchellHydromorfiend 385 points 4 days ago
Nostalgia is a powerful thing
[–]Lakersmodada 107 points 4 days ago
Hype too. There’s a reason why toy story 3 has a better IMDb rating than toy story.
[–]Twoweekswithpay 2032 points 4 days ago*
I was there for Jordan, and yes, we were spoiled by the narrative that one guy is all it takes to win a championship, when in reality, it was the mix of the best player, an unusually unselfish great #2 in Pippen, good mix of role players, and a head coach/coaching staff that just knew how to maximize the best out of all their players.
In this fashion, Steph Curry is having the career MJ had. But the league is covered in a more nuanced way now and more people watch players on a night-in, night-out basis to recognize the difference between great stats and great players.
For me, I did think trumped everything but with Lebron, i’ve Come to realize that it does matter who your teammates and coaches are. Lebron has never had a phil Jackson. Had Lebron joined the warriors instead Of Cleveland way back when after Miami, we’d be talking about him as the greatest ever, due to his likely 7th title this year. But, he chose the hard way and won one for Cleveland.
Michael had a lot of things working for him, including being drafted into a major market from the start. The one area that is hard to quantify though that seemingly gives MJ the edge is that in the way Lebron seemingly had a psychological grip on the raptors, michael had that over the entire league during his 6 titles. That’s something that really has only been seen a couple times since with Tiger Woods or Serena Williams, and those are individual sports.
The Bull’s dominance, only when MJ was on the team, led to a false equivalency, however, between being “the best player” and “winning a championship.” But, that’s okay. I think Lebron wins a championship with the lakers and he’ll be the first one to win 3 finals mvp’s for 3 franchises. He’ll be in the statistical top 5 all time in scoring and assists. And he’ll have the distinction of the greatest of his generation.
We’ll appreciate him much more after he’s gone. We’ll remember him as the guy who survived and thrived in the social media age without any major blips. And, he’ll leave us all in a better place from a fan’s perspective in knowing that in team sports, the best players give you the potential to win a championship, but to actually win it, it takes more than just “The Man.”
[–]crowntheking 569 points 4 days ago
This is a really great comment..
The Steph curry comparison is interesting and even if he wins this year no one is going to be calling him the greatest of all time. His situation is a lot more similar to Jordan's then LeBron's ever has been
[–]WizardsMarmaladeFugitive 374 points 4 days ago
KD robbed us of peak Curry. He probably wouldn't end up the greatest ever...but I sure as fuck wanted to see him try for it.
[–]Celticskilltasticfever 122 points 4 days ago
Not really, steph has MUCH more in terms of help/team than jordan ever did.
[–]peppermintpattymills 157 points 4 days ago
Displaying a Finals record as is super misleading because it implies that is better than . That's what bugs me about saying Jordan never lost a Finals. He also didn't make a Finals for the first like seven years of his career or whatever.
[–]76ersmatgopack 135 points 4 days ago
Playoff overall record: MJ: (66.5%)
Almost identical, with a larger volume for Lebron.
[–][TOR] Bruno CabocloXeibi 270 points 4 days ago
These younglings talking bout LeBron and Jordan...
smh back in my day Bob Cousy was the true GOAT, playing against true defenses and not this malarkey of the 80s, 90s, and 00s.
[–][OKC] Raymond FeltonDTttfu 497 points 4 days ago
Statistically definitely but not in accolades
[–][GSW] Stephen Curryec20 267 points 4 days ago
I understood Zach to mean that the greater longevity of strong statistical seasons, combined with the accolades Lebron does have, would make him the GOAT.
So not necessarily that peak Lebron was better than peak Jordan, but that Lebron's peaks combined with his longevity should make him the GOAT.
[–][UTA] Donovan MitchellKingCrumble 124 points 4 days ago
I don't disagree with you - but I think this current Warriors team is probably more stacked than any team Jordan ever went up against.
Which is insane.
[–]danmaker99 234 points 4 days ago
Probably? This Warriors team is more stacked than any team ever, including Jordans.
[–]CavaliersJjab430 89 points 4 days ago
How many rings do you think Jordan would have if Hakeem, Barkley, Miller, and Mutombo teamed up in the middle of his prime?
[–][DET] Ben Wallacezm2485 94 points 4 days ago
Are you comparing Draymond to Barkley?
[–]WestVerySadAllTheTime 134 points 4 days ago
On the other hand how many rings do you think he’d have if he teamed up with Stockton and Robinson
[–][CHI] Rajon Rondoblue拍宣传照而坠毁的美军试验机旋转蒸发器选型配套注意事项magic124 160 points 4 days ago
Scottie Pippen is a HOF level talent in his own right
[–]peppermintpattymills 98 points 4 days ago
The '94 Bulls won 55 games, Pippen averaged 22.0/8.7/5.6 with 2.9spg and they went seven games in the Eastern conference semis.
The '16 Cavs without LeBron probably wouldn't win 40 games or make the playoffs. Yeah Kyrie and Love are good. No they aren't that good.